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Old 02-05-2007, 04:18 AM
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...A big shout out to Kosta for putting this up at EZILLACOMM originally...

#A: Why waterproof?

waterproofing your truck sometimes is crucial... lack of waterproofing could easily lead to a wrecked ESC, receiver or steering servo and decreased motor performance. at some cases, even the motors need waterproofing, because the vast majority of the watery stuff geting into them when submerging IS NOT clean water. water isn`t such a harmfull substance, but mud is... [especially for the brushes]. years ago, i had several motors dyno-tested before and after submerging to check performance differences, and i have to tell you that the performance may severely decrease... also [besides the brushes] even a thin coating of mud or any other substance gets on the magnets, the magnetic field can loose some of its peak [depending on the substance] and the motor performance will respectively decrease. anyway, that rule stands for brushed ones. brushless motors will get completely ruined if water gets in them due to neodynium magnet crack spots [plus neodynium is an unmachinable material]. but thats another story... [to be analysed later-on -in an article regarding brushed and brushless motor comparison and specifications]. you may not waterproof the motors [to take advantage of better cooling rate], but in this case, frequent maintenance becomes necessary...


#B: Why cooling?

Cooling is another important factor that most people forget to add into the equation. It is true that cooling is no substitute for proper gearing, but that general rule of thumb is a bit overestimated. so, whats the importance of cooling?

longer lifespan
a properly cooled motor has the potential to live more than twice towards an identical motor which works the same exact way -but without cooling. the heat produced inside a motor [while its on power], is an overall of three heat sources: the friction of the commutator with the brushes [that doesn`t apply to brushless motors], the friction produced by the bushings or bearings that support the armature, and the heat produced by the flow of electrical current through the windings [wires basically] of the rotor [or the can`s windings if it is brushless]. less heat will decrease wear on the brushes and the commutator,thus allowing for longer overall lifespan...

more performance
a critical structural and performance-wise part of most dc motors [such as those used in RC], is the magnets. the magnets create a magnetic field around the rotor, and when current flows through the rotor`s windings, a force [known as the Laplace effect] makes the rotor to spin. the strength of the magnetic field and the size of the current that flows inside the rotor`s windings are 2 major factors that assemble the motor`s performance chart. while the vast majority of hobbyists believe that the increase of current is the only way to get more power [will be analyzed in the motor article later on], it is little known to most people that the magnets loose a significant part of their peak as their temperature rises. a very good simulation link is included below: [courtesy of johnson electric corporation] http://www.johnsonelectric.com/produ...p?ProdID=83--A
check the initial values on the performance chart: temperature [25C = ambient temperature], power/yellow curve [225Watts]. now use the temperature slider to set the motor temperature. after 5 minutes of driving, your motor`s temperature will have increased by 20C or so [depends on the style of driving, motor specs, gearing and the battery packs used]. so set the slider to 45C and re-check the specs on the performance chart. after 10 minutes of driving it isn`t uncommon to expect motor temperature ranging from 55 to 65 degrees Celcius. In a high-voltage setup with lots of weight and rotating mass involved [such as an electric monster truck] the motor temperature may climb up to 70 degrees celcius -especially at the summer season when the ambient temperature is high by itself. i will summarize the data on the following table:

Driving time [Minutes]____0-1___3-5___7-10__10-15
Temperature [Celcius]____25____45____60____70
Power [Watts]__________225___205___195___185

as you can easily distinguish, within 10minutes the power of the motor has dropped by 30watts which translates to 13.3% loss of power.
the following table is assembled particularly for the e-zilla motors and the values are combined [aka: for both motors].

Driving time [Minutes]____0-1___3-5___7-10__10-15
Temperature [Celcius]____25____45____60____70
Power [Watts]__________290___266___252___239

driving your e-zilla without forced cooling involved could drop the motors` performance by 40-61watts, which translates to a [temporary] power loss ranging from 13.7% to 21%...
i guess you now know why you should use some cooling..


#C: how do i waterproof?

waterproofing is a relatively easy but delicate process. typical ballon waterproofing is ment to burn your electronics some day. only the receiver should be swapped into a ballon, but i wouldn`t recommend that either, since there is a much more effective way to waterproof. buy a tube of 100-300gr of silicone {2$ or so} insulating compount and use it to seal and waterproof every single hole of your esc and your receiver. be sure to seal the ESCs and receivers boxes` plates [where the upper box attaches to the lowerbox], as well as the screws. do the same with the servo. allow at least 12-24hours of cure time, and carefully inspect for any spot you missed while sealing. silicone insulates water and electricity, so its safe for use almost everywhere. technicians use it in many applications. however, you should not apply silicone to the surface of the heatsinks because most of these insulating compounts insulate heat as well. there is not a specific brand or link, but any local workshop or electrics/electronics shop or even radioshack or shops selling products with paints/pipes/bathroom stuff, should stock these. you can find them practically anywhere [even at towerhobbies]. silicone is removable with a knife and it will keep water, dirt, mud and all other contaminants out of your electronics for as long as you desire. balloons will limit the airflow to the ESC`s heatsink, thus lowering its performance and effectively increase the possibilities of an esc failure. the easiest, cheapest and most effective waterproofing technique is the one you will see below {in the pictures}. everything was waterproofed: ESC, radio case & steering servo [underneath], even the motors! since e-zilla`s motors are fan-cooled [internally] it is wise to allow airflow to the endbell openings. airflow is allowed to the motor fans through fuel tubing [its very hard and rare to see mud climbing through the tubes]. the rest of the motor holes were closed and sealed with silicone as well...if however you don`t happen to dive your truck in mud [eg: you don`t like cleaning up the mess, lol], then leave the motors as they are...
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:20 AM
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#D: HOW DO I ENHANCE COOLING?

parts:

1. two nice motor heatsinks
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJD62&P=7

2. [optional] thermal paste [such as the one used for pc cpu/heatsink setups]. you can find this compount at any electronics or computers shop.

3. 80/92mm pc cooling fan [40cfm or greater recommended]. this one is also found at any electronics or pc shop. it is a standard-sized case fan for PCs. 12v fans work fine even at 14.4/16.8v, so don`t worry about the voltage [as long as they are 12v or higher].

4. [optional] 2-3feet of large [4 or 5mm at least of internal diameter] fuel tube. you can find this at any hobby shop.

5. 4cm pc cooling fan. again, this one is also found at any electronics or pc shop. it is a standard size fan for mainboard chipsets, graphics processors or CPUs.

first things first, remove the stickers out of the motor cans [they block heat dissipation/transfer]. now thoroughly clean the exterior motor can surface with alcohol and wipe it untill any remains of glue, mud or debris are removed. clean the contact surface of the heatsink with alcohol as well. then apply thermal paste on the heatsink [on the surface that is going to be in contact with the motor can]. take your time to smoothly apply the thermal paste compount on the heatsink. use a toothpick to do it. now firmly attach the heatsink on the motor and make sure it sits tight. do the same with the other motor. attach the large fan on them, and use zip ties to secure the fan against the chassis. make sure the fan blows the air ON the motors` heatsinks. next step is the esc. make sure you have waterproofed it first. use generous amounts of silicone insulating compount around the esc`s case [where the heatsink is attached to the case] and especially at the back of the esc where the motor&batt wires come out of the case -this is the most vulnerable point. allow 2-8 hours of initial cure time [depends on the compount specs -some need only 30minutes or less]. then re-mount the esc and use two standard 15/20mm screws [usually packaged with the fan] to mount and secure the 4cm fan on the esc`s heatsink. make sure that the fan blows the air ON the esc`s heatsink. now wire all fans to the leads of the ESC that connect the esc with the packs, as follows: connect the ESC`s fan to one lead [preferably the non-bec one], and the motors` fan in parallel* with both batteries leads [to get full voltage]. the current draw of the fans is so tiny [especially when compared to the huge amount of current that the motors drain], that it would be ridiculous to claim that there will even the slightest noticeable decrease in runtime. the final step is to waterproof the whole radio box [which includes the receiver and the steering servo]. open the radio box compartment and apply generous amounts of silicone insulating compount throughout any gaps you see in the bottom of the radio box. flip the truck and do the same with the underneath section. there are huge gaps to be filled up with silicone there -especially where the steering servo attaches to the chassis. take your time to do all this. waterproofing the radio box is a relatively fuzzy procedure and it may require a couple of hours to complete. once you are done with the underneath, inspect the whole radiobox compartment for any spots you may have missed [for example there are two openings at the rear part of the radio box which are very hard to notice]. when you are done with that, apply silicone to the spline line of the radiobox`s cap, so that the silicone will be caught right where the box and the compartment cap mesh. close the radiobox and re-apply a bit more silicone around the mesh of the compartments of the radiobox. now seal the base of the antenna tube with silicone as well [right where the antenna tube goes into the radio box]. you are done... just allow a full 12hour period for the silicone to cure and your e-zilla will be amphibian!

[optional part]
cut the fuel tubing into 8 identical pieces. each one should be about 10cm long. attach and fit two pieces of tube in each motor endbell opening. be carefull not to block the internal fans! everytime you fill an opening [with 2 pieces of fuel tubing each], use CA glue to secure the tubes tight on the motor can openings. when you are done with the tubes installation, use silicone compount to seal any remaining holes, gaps or openings throughout the exposed motor can. next, glue [or secure with zipties] all tubes on the chassis [i prefer mounting them facing to the front to help air intake while running the truck].

#E: conclusions...

cost of parts:
2 heatsinks [5$ each] = 10$
thermal paste [1tube] = 2$
8cm pc cooling fan = 2$
4cm pc cooling fan = 3$
large fuel tube [3feet] = 3$
silicone compount [1 tube] = 3$

my experience:
motor temperature was about 60 degrees celcius [around 140 F] stock [before any modding], and now has decreased to 45 degrees celcius [113 F] max -after running 45 minutes of hard driving wide open. NOTE: temps were measured with an infrared temperature gun, and the climate was pretty warm: around 25-30 degrees celcius [77-86 F] ambient temperature.
as for the waterproofing...you know how it works...full submerging into watery and muddy situations without any problems...
what i like most with all this stuff is that i don`t have to clean the thing... when its very dirty, i just do a shower to the truck [water isn`t harmfull now :-) ] and then let her dry...

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Doing the optional mod of the fuel tubing does it make much differrence ?
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-gcm rb/bl chassis, anodized red, custom trays.
-medusa 3650-2200v2, geared 22/66.
-waterproofed mamba max with caps.
-stock tires on rpm stablemaxx rims and alloy hubs.
-tmaxx narrow cvds with tmaxx diff output shafts.
-3racing straps,custom painted monster beetle body w/wing.
-hpi cups,ofna dogbones throughout the central transmission.
-heatsink on stock slipper clutch and no spur gear cover.
-str front alloy c-hubs and 9kg steering servo on a 6v linear bec.
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It's hard to tell or maybe I'm just tired but, are'nt those fans only running on 7.2v? Could someone explain or draw a diagram. Thanks
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-gcm rb/bl chassis, anodized red, custom trays.
-medusa 3650-2200v2, geared 22/66.
-waterproofed mamba max with caps.
-stock tires on rpm stablemaxx rims and alloy hubs.
-tmaxx narrow cvds with tmaxx diff output shafts.
-3racing straps,custom painted monster beetle body w/wing.
-hpi cups,ofna dogbones throughout the central transmission.
-heatsink on stock slipper clutch and no spur gear cover.
-str front alloy c-hubs and 9kg steering servo on a 6v linear bec.
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That's what I thought thanks Kosta.
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Bithead do you think it would be all right to seal off the motor and use the tubing before I get the heatsink and fan mounted?
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